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  • It looks like the wiki doesn't have any information on how the effects of spells, abilities, etc., interact with each other. For instance, it doesn't say anything about what effects stack and what effects don't (see this thread in the Beamdog forum for a discussion on that topic). It doesn't look like there is any page in the wiki that is suitable for that kind of information. So where can we put it?

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    • This info is getting added to the individual spell pages. In the question of whether spell X stacks with spell Y, the answer is always yes. You just have to read the spell carefully to see whether it's increasing or setting values. If there are any exceptions (and I don't know of any) they should just be added as notes to the individual pages themselves.

      In the question of whether spell X stacks with itself, this should also just be on the spell's page.

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    • Coincidentally, I found the page Status_Effects just after writing my original question. It looks like a good candidate to hold this kind of info.

      Mitchfork wrote:
      In the question of whether spell X stacks with itself, this should also just be on the spell's page.

      This seems quite impractical. According to the thread I mentioned above, "Before the Enhanced Editions many spells stacked with themselves. With EE, almost no spells stack with themselves, but they still stack with each other". Following your idea, we would have to repeat this quote in the page of every spell (and modify it for the few exceptions that exist). Apart from that, since we are talking about effects in general, not just effects of spells, we would also have to copy that quote (or whatever applies) to every page about something that creates effects, including potions, wands, abilities, etc. The amount of work to do what you suggest would be huge, it means modifying several hundred pages, maybe even more. It seems more practical to put that kind of information in a page that covers general information about effects.

      Mitchfork wrote:
      In the question of whether spell X stacks with spell Y, the answer is always yes.

      My question is not just about spells, it's about effects, whether they come from spells or from other source. I imagine that the answer for effects in general might be more nuanced. At any rate, nuanced or not, my question stands: Where should we put that kind of information?

      In both cases and several others, it looks like that Status_Effects page is a good candidate.

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    • I definitely agree that Status Effects - and the individual pages for status effects - needs to be revamped. It's quite incomplete and has a lot of minor misinformation on it that needs to be checked in Near Infinity and manually tested. And to your point, there are a lot of effects that may have weird interactions - it's sort of intuitive knowledge that Haste and Slow cancel out, but haste has four or more different sources (Haste, Improved Haste, Boots of Speed, and Oil of Speed) which are all different mechanically and I don't know if anyone has actually got that info, and it would be nice to collect it.

      Alonshow wrote:

      This seems quite impractical. According to the thread I mentioned above, "Before the Enhanced Editions many spells stacked with themselves. With EE, almost no spells stack with themselves, but they still stack with each other". Following your idea, we would have to repeat this quote in the page of every spell (and modify it for the few exceptions that exist). Apart from that, since we are talking about effects in general, not just effects of spells, we would also have to copy that quote (or whatever applies) to every page about something that creates effects, including potions, wands, abilities, etc. The amount of work to do what you suggest would be huge, it means modifying several hundred pages, maybe even more. It seems more practical to put that kind of information in a page that covers general information about effects.

      I think there's an important usability angle to this that needs to be considered.  If I'm wondering "Does Armor of Faith stack with itself?" then that information is most useful to me on the page for Armor of Faith, since that's where my search engine will put me.  I don't have any problem with statements such as "Before the Enhanced Editions many spells stacked with themselves. With EE, almost no spells stack with themselves, but they still stack with each other." on a general resource page; but that information also needs to be on individual spell pages because there are all sorts of exceptions and that's where people will look for the answer to their questions.

      In any case, it is a lot of work, but the information on those pages is already highly incomplete and needed a rework so it's very easy for me to do in parallel with the spell page revamp project I've been working on for the last few weeks. I'm almost halfway through all of the priest spells now, and you can see how I've handled it on spell levels 1-3 and some of 4 as of this post.

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    • That's a very nice work you're doing with the spells.

      I have created a new section in the Status_effects page, Effects interactions, and I have put in that section the relevant information from the thread I mentioned. However, I quickly realized that it's a very complicated topic and I don't know much about it. So I just tried my best to present the little information I have, but there's definitely a lot of room for improvement there.

      By the way, the name of the page doesn't sound right. I think the right wording would be "State effects" rather than "Status effects".

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