Talk:Viconia DeVir/@comment-35434313-20200219054824/@comment-35434313-20200221202339

>> Viconia will only ever stop being useful if her spells become redundant or if someone is not bothering to take the time to play her properly.

Exactly.

1) Her spells tend to be more and more redundant later, especially in TOB

At lower levels, cleric's role can hardly become redundant. But past certain levels, non-cleric companions tend to be able to heal themselves, buff themselves, resurrent others, heal others (without using consumables that they cannot produce by themselves). A high-level mage can even summon a Planetar, who is actually a very powerful cleric (in addition to being a very tough fighter). Jaheira and Cernd, Anomen and Aerie, single-classed Mages, HaerDalis, etc. shouldn't need a dedicated cleric's help any more (except in the sense that everyone in the same party should help one another). If potions are used, then potions are more efficient if someone is wounded and needs healing fast to get back on. Thieves may even start to make potions for themselves every day. On top of everything else, Mass Raise Dead is a HLA for all clerics and druids (and shaman too).

2) Trying to make her useful in melee is because players like her and want to keep her and spend time to play her properly AFTER her useful as a cleric dwindles past certain levels, especially in TOB.

Surely, every party member is useful, whoever that is. But their useful in combat and their ability to contribute to party kills are not equal.

The effort to make Viconia more useful than she is tends to be frustrating in the end. We may not ready to admit that... yet... because many players do like her, blaming themselves for not being able to make Viconia more useful than she is.