Talk:Jon Irenicus/@comment-2407:7000:9533:B166:58D3:C5DA:884E:A463-20181225021034

And how does this all fit in?

http://baldursgate.wikia.com/wiki/Centeol

Tanova being one of the vampires you have to kill twice. Irenicus shows no emotion around this, but then, he shows no emotion around you killing Bodhi, so it can be imagined that he is too wound up in his godhood-crusade by then. I don't think that the writers of the two games kept the episode in mind while writing BGII, but can we make it fit?

Story-wise, you can make arguments for it happening pre- and post-curse. Here is what I see:

If the Centeol episode happened before Jon lost his elvenness, this could be the catalyst that sets him on the path towards attacking the tree. You'd have to argue that Ellesime's love for Jon was platonic and familial, which contrasts with the quote below. Or maybe Jon and Ellesime happened after Jon and Tanova, but it's hard to imagine finding a new lover with an undead one hanging around, and presumably the mad clones are supposed to be Ellesime.

If the Centeol episode happened after Jon lost his elvenness, it suggests Tanova was a rebound character after being cut off from Ellesime and the elven community. Maybe he found a sort of happiness with Tanova in his cursed life. This makes sense of the fact that Centeol refers to him as a man, and as Jon (not Joneleth). Clashes with the quote "I do not remember your love, Ellesime... For years, I clung to the memory of it. Then the memory of the memory. And then nothing." Suggests he hasn't had anything happy since the curse. But then, maybe Jon/Tanova is more of an obsession or a property sort of relationship.