Talk:Viconia DeVir/@comment-35434313-20200219054824/@comment-686000-20200222075517

Are you really arguing about ANYTHING being redundant at higher levels? You do know that a THIEF can cheese most major encounters in the game with traps. Why bother with warriors? Why bother with casters? For anything else just slap on your best gear thanks to the Use Any Item HLA and stack as many potion/scroll buffs as you can.

Also, a THIEF can help his party reach max levels faster than any other class in the game thanks to XP from trap removal, lockpicking and stolen scrolls. Note that this WILL NOT show up in your party experience/kills contribution window. But if you think having the ability to generate so much XP for your party that your partymates already have HLAs by mid-late SoA doesn't count as S-Tier Overpowered then you need to work better on figuring out what creating a good party is all about. Clerics are similar, especially a dedicated cleric like Viconia. Their contribution simply doesn't show up in any meaningful metric outside of how easy your game as been so far just because you decided to bring one.

Frankly, using party experience/kill contribution as the only metric for what counts as "good" is just plain insulting.