Board Thread:Improvements and Suggestions/@comment-978785-20170829132627/@comment-978785-20170830164253

Islandking wrote: Many quest page names here do not reflect the actual in-game journal, the unmarked ones are even worse. Everyone has their own standard, imo, "Golden Pantaloon Decision" should be named like "Golden Pantaloons (unmakred quest)" in the first place. So what I have in mind is that we rename them according to their types, as you’ve suggested, with order of priority:

1. If the creature has a name, named with Nobleman (Thurston), or Noblewoman (Thurston's wife), if not, go to 2

2. If involved in quests, then Hobgoblin (Zhurlong's Missing Boots), if not, go to 3

3. If involved in unmarked quests or has notable items, go with Nobleman (Golden Pantaloons) to show the item name

I reckon that would solve most cases, unless creatures in type 3 has none or more than one remarkable items… I think that's the best idea; I actually came with something like that as well – great mind things alike P: Unless someone objects, I'm gonna change the names a little later to what you suggested.

About the unmarked quests, I get what you mean, it puzzles me as well – a part of the trouble is from the fact that there was no separate journal entries for quests in original Baldur's Gate, so most of the names were made up, and the unmarked ones stem from the fact that Beamdog didn't made a journal entry for them. It doesn't help that there's quite a bunch of discrepancies with new EE's journal system, likely due to the fact of it being new addition and wasn't ironed out as much as the core BG content – for example Marl's Loss which (mistakenly I presume) adds an entry to "Journal" section instead of "Quests" (kinda similar how one entry for Oublek the Bounty Officer actually ends up in journal instead quests) or pseudo quests such as A Farmer's Tales (also suffering from a bug with no entries added), Rising Tensions with Amn or Troubles in the Region, which, despite not being able to be finished, ends up in "Quest" section – so logic suggests they should absolutely be treated as such. Plus some companion quests have either entries that gets removed, such as Jaheira and Khalid or Xzar and Montaron (but still appear in journal for their duration), some aren't marked at all (The Silke Dilemma – not official name) and other oddities such as The Friendly Arm Inn which only exist in completed form. It also doesn't help that Important Events is technically simply a quest entry (albeit always sorted on top) and since it behaves as quest, it can even be "finished" at one part of the game to simply appear re-opened later on :). Some journal entries are still missing to this day, see (yes, it's still missing in v2.3.67.3+SoD and is not reported in public Redmine section, so may create a ticket later on).

Fortunately, at least the unmarked quest have a separate category at Category:Unmarked quests, so we can see them at glance. As long as they are properly categorized and clearly mentioned they are unmarked in the quest page, I think we should continue using the semi-established community names for now, as adding "(unmarked quest)" after the name only make the page names and links unnecessary longer/confusing, especially since the "original" name (without parentheses) remains free.

I kinda hope it gets ironed out in future patches, since Beamdog said on their blog they will focus on bug fixing for the upcoming releases, soon after they finish porting Infinity Engine to 64-bit – so I am noting these errors and submitting them to Redmine, and I suggest other to contribute them as well, in hopes future patches will improve on BG:EE quest situation and we then we could update more quests with their official names :). (I still have some bug reports to fill based off the rough notes I make during play). I also try to add the Bug section linking to appropriate Redmine entry to help wiki viewers see what's the current state of the bug (whether it is new, submitted or maybe even fixed for the next release or can add new comments, or just see the exact description).