User talk:Islandking

Welcome
Hi, welcome to ! Probably nobody has yet looked at your edit to the Companion page, but someone will.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! Erik the Mad (talk) 03:46, October 14, 2016 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

You are correct about the change. I too have the Siege of Dargonspear CE box. I have occasionally referenced it in developing the spell summary for some of the articles. I'll make it a point to cross reference with it from here on out. I'm using the spell page in the game as the true refernce only because there are folks out there who may not have the adventurer's guide. I'm really having fun fixing up the spell pages, plus it makes me really read every one. If there are any other mistakes you see, please correct. I have no ego, only the want to see them look clear and concise and up to date. Plus I recognize the "living, breathing" aspect of the whole site. Always evolving.

Hello Islandking, There is a "category" template located on the Templates page under the subtemplates. Give it a try it should help you out. I haven't attempted any category pages yet.

Hi Islandking, just checked out the quarterstaff category page. Looks great. Always nice to see meaningful additions to the site. When I get finished with the spells, I'm going to go back and finish my current game in BG and add some missing characters, etc. that I noticed right after I found this site.

Hi Islandking, I see your updating priest spells. Groovy. I got a trick for you. Instead of a line break (hard return) use and keep writing. That way your whole description will be in italics in the quote. I'll go back and do it to Unholy Word and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Howdy Islandking, My first guess is that you live in New Zealand or Great Britain? It may be that the non-North American games have a different description. The Adventurer's Guide is even less descriptive than the in-game spell description for this spell. I'm pulling most of the descriptions from the game (like we discussed before) w/ additional info from the guide. I've gone back and checked the BGEE and BGIIEE descriptions and for me they're both the same. I even went back to the old BGII manual and it has the save vs. breath line but still at a -2 penalty.

So I propose that the only way to solve this is to test the spell and see what it does. (I do this every so often when I come across something that doesn't make sense.) I actually just did that with the Harper's Call spell as the BGEE description makes it appear that every ability score is reduced by 5 instead of Constitution being unaffected (BGIIEE has it correct, same as EE Keeper). If it works like your description than by all means go back and fix it. I actually think that your description is more on target in regards to how the spell works.

I have noticed that for the EE games the developers have inserted a gender check when a spell is called up in the game. And you may have noticed that in EE Keeper, the spell descriptions will have that  to differentiate between the sexes depending on the sex of your character. While I think that is a great option, I'm old school (and not very PC) and I was playing this back when it was paper and pencil. The only females were the characters one created. D&D was never a chick game. :) But Ok I'll acquiesce. Leave the he/she. Or how about this. Follow the guide and make everything gender neutral. They, Them, Their.

My only motivation is to make this site look and feel polished and clean. I try not to step on other contributors toes.

And something else that recently occurred to me. Now we have Siege of Dragonspear. Haven't even had a chance to begin playing that yet.

Hi Islandking,

My version is the same as yours: V2.3.67.3, patch released June 24, 2016. This is both the BG & BGII versions Everyone worldwide should be playing with the most recent updated version, I would think. I'm not running any mods on my end. I just ran a repair install from the game start page, I'll check to see if anything has changed.

Now the Find Familiar description is very interesting indeed! That would mean there are different versions out there. If they do stay true to their descriptions in game play, that would throw a big monkey wrench into this whole site. Because then it wouldn't be a one size fits all site. Some spell pages would have to have 2 descriptions and that would be fun (not) to undertake. You add your description and then I add mine and then someone else comes along and wonders WTF with two separate spell descriptions. Sorry, thinking out loud.

Like I said before, give Creeping Doom a test and see if it performs as described. Which brings me to a thought tangent....are there any good clerics in shadows of amn? Not counting Jahiera. I want to find one and add it to my party so I can "play" with it in EE Keeper. That's how I get all of the in-game spell descriptions. I just ramp a cleric up in xp, save it as a test and then access their whole maxed out spellbook. One thing I have noticed, spell descriptions do very between in-game and what is provided in EE Keeper. When in doubt, go with the in-game.

Ok he/she it be.

And I wish you luck in getting the SoD guide. It would be very helpful in expending the site for that expansion game.

We'll continue with the priest spell article edits. Keep this in mind. I try to make the first line a brief summary of how the spell works when possible (which works for most of the spells), and then add the in-game description. Otherwise it's just pure redundancy. I don't see a need to redescribe how a spell works when the actual spell description would suffice, eh. So don't be shy about fixing it up. I'll continue to add the spell images.

Thank you for the picture complement. I actually just went back and updated some creature images (Love, Fear, Avarice, Dradeel to name a few). I figured out a better way to make images of creatures in dark places appear a little brighter.

Oh, and I do apologize for rewriting one of your additions about the Spell Immunity:Abjuration. Dispel Magic I think it was. I remember thinking to myself after I had done that, oh ya Islandking added that. Sometimes I work on this site whilst tokin' on a number and staying up late ;)

Cheers

Hi Islandking,

I was just about to send you a message. I just saw your post on Beamdog and Elminster's reply. I'm registered on Beamdog but I've never posted. It's under spoondivy. I've never followed much discussion on the forums as I've never gotten that "in-depth" into the workings of the games. Until now :)

Ok I'll help.

I did notice on EEKeeper that the Quasit description for Find Familiar has a different combat effect than both of those we have discovered.

– Combat: 2 attacks per round at 19 THAC0 for 1d6 slashing damage

Since EEK works across all game platforms I'm wondering if that is the actual effect or as Elminster said, it's different for each game based on the actual in-game spell description.

I also fiddled with my BGII character in EEK and Find Familiar is just as you described it. So, maybe we should add a caveat to certain spell descriptions that makes note of differences between BG & BGII (All in EE of course). I also discovered that when I fixed the spell page I inadvertently switched the combat damage effect for Cat & Quasit. I'm going to fix that right now. Cat 1d3 & Quasit 1d6 is correct and I have them backwards.

This just threw my whole "this should be easy to do" concept of fixing up the spell pages into a a whole realm of UUHHHGGGG!!!

And I also downloaded that Lighting pack mod. Thanks for the info.

I'm going to message Eric the Mad and 23dutch45man and get their thought's on this too.

Hello Islandking,

Question: what is SCS?

Gotcha

I tried out Familiars in both games (BG & SOA), they operate just as described in the in-game description: 12hp in BG and 24hp in SOA. When I accessed the creature browse in EEkeeper, all I had come up for Quasit was FAMQUAS. Now that's strange!! Could that have something to do with the folder it's installed in?

BGEE : – Hit Points: 12– Armor Class: 4– Magic Resistance: 15%– Combat: 2 attacks per round at 15 THAC0 for 1d6 slashing damage BGIIEE:– Hit Points: 24– Armor Class: 2– Magic Resistance: 25%– Combat: 3 attacks per round at 13 THAC0 for 1d6 slashing damage The BGIIEE description remains the same for TOB.

Hello Islandking,

I have made a test revision to Find Familiar. Take a look and tell me what you think.

Good Morning Islandking, I'm burning the midnight oil. :)

Yes you are correct about the HP increase in TOB. My test character is true neutral, so I get the rabbit and when it died in combat, my character suffered 48 HP damage. However, the in-game spell description is exactly the same for SOA and TOB. So if some of the other stats are also changed (similar to changes between BG and SOA), I would guess we need to access the Infinity Engine to see what they are. I have tried to use it  but haven't had any success yet.

Ya there definitely would have to be a caveat before the creature descriptions stating the differences in stats between all three games. The test I did to the FF page was just to see if I could make something work that looked decent.

And to answer the FAMQUAS issue. I can't access it in the game, only through EEKeeper. You said you can access the SOA/TOB Quasits while I'm only able to access the BG Quasit in the creature browser. That's what I find strange. You can see more than I can. But remember what I said earlier. When I access Quasit and look at its stats, I get a THAC0 of 19 not 15 as listed in the in-game description for BG (All of this is in EE of course). So maybe THAC0 is 19 for BG, 15 for SOA and 13 for TOB. And this would probably follow a similar logic for the rest of the summoned familiars.

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 06:22, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Photos, fantastic!!! Here's what I noticed first off. We are running different versions of EEKeeper. Your's is 1.0.3.5 [abc] where mine is 1.0.3.6 [test]. That's why I don't have the SOA and TOB stats.

Yes it could be a bug in the 1.0.3.6 version and the names are just what we assign the file folder. Sometimes it takes a few tries to put two and two together but eventually the light bulb goes off;)

23dutch45man got back to me about the Familiar page and he made some changes to the table layout. I'm going to go in and finish it out and include a 3rd column for TOB stats too. I also queried him about his opinion of how to handle any other cases of a spell working differently across the games. Haven't heard back from Erik the Mad yet.

I've updated the Insect Plague article. Both the in-game and adventurer guide descriptions are identical.

Hi ya Islandking,

I have discovered much about EEkeeper in the past few hours. Version 1.0.3.6 is fine. Works like a Charm (pun intended). It all comes down to having the correct installation file selected. My error was I had the BG data selected for SOA, explains why the same data always appeared while switching between games using the software. :)  So now I see everything just like you, Got all three Quasit stats. Yay!! The next task is to finish out the Familiar article and make it look good. Hopefully the gods will be pleased with our endeavours ;-)

Don't worry about it, I don't mind editing. Still have lots to due to finish out the priest spells anyway.

I don't know since I haven't really played SOA (or TOB for the matter) yet. I've only started games so I could access EEkeeper and fiddle with characters to get in-game spell info mostly. And to test a few spells out to verify description w/ actual game play. Eventually I'll get there, but right now I'm still trying to finish my BG game. I was moving along nicely until I discovered this site back in December...HA! Then I got all wrapped up in contributing and its been all downhill from there.

Although, I suppose I /we should just continue to compare stats between games in EEkeeper and look for differnces. That is until one of us figuers out how to use Infinity Explorer. I kinda like EEkeeper, myself. Seems easy enough. If it provides honest to goodness stats that do not lie and work as advertised, I'm good. But be aware that some descriptions are not what you would see in-game and or in the Adventurers' Guide. And for that I'll always defer to the in-game first and the guide second and then EEkeeper third. And the prime objective is to get it right, No :-)

Time to go quauf a cold pop and do some editing.

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 21:20, April 26, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

Agreed, features that aren't mentioned in the description, such as you listed, should be added to the article and I like having them follow the quick summary. Now as for tips/tricks, I personally would like to see that in the comments, reason being, it could tend to encourage folks to add too much verbiage in the body of the article. Kinda muddies it up.

Ya I don't pay that much attention to the guide. I've found quite a few editorial mistakes in it. The chapter 9 spell (page 53) has several spells missing from that list. Fireball to name one. And I've noticed other things too. But hey, that's what this site is for right. Keep it consistent and up-to-date.

I checked a few of the D&D books I have but no info on Shamans. I did find this on a google search:

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/hybrid-classes/shaman/

Check it out, might help you in developing a table.

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 20:48, April 27, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

Sorry. Your right, I only tested it against Gantolandan and he doesn't have any info to give up. I went back and tested it against Tranzig and he spilled his guts. I misinterpreted the description. My bad. I might suggest that you add Tranzig to the info since he is a character that's encountered a tad bit earlier in the game. One has to go through quiet a lot of game to reach Rieltar don't ya think.

If it causes you that much consternation, your free to go back and change them. I was so far along that in the end there wasn't very many left with the the male/female designation anyway.

Thanks for pointing that out. It's tough being human sometimes. One out of 112 is still batting 99% eh :)

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 21:07, May 1, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

It's all good my friend. I want folks to find the errors. That was my intent with the reply. I don't get butt-hurt over things. Just the other day somebody got a hair up their arse and decided that the first floor in Sorcerous Sundries must be changed to ground floor. Makes me chuckle. I probably hemmed and hawed about that myself, but after a little research decided that first floor was the best choice. So be it. As long as the information is accurate; we, the community,  will always argue over the semantics :) And you don't need the infinity engine to make the Charm list. Just start a new game and get a cleric up to speed, kill lots of non-talking types, and then test it out with every NPC you come across. I think it would be more fun myself.

On a side note. Do you think the creature stats given in EEkeeper are legit? If that's the case, than many a creature infobox could be using an updating and that info would be most useful. (excuse my goofy english, some times it's fun to write foolishly)

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 18:37, May 2, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking, It's never any trouble Daddy-O. Always good to get a second opinion. Helps to verify what one is seeing when testing out stuff, eh.

"The Portal Rooms (Areas 3 and 17) are magic portals that lead to the second level of the dungeon once the key from Area 16 has been retrieved"

That statement is correct.

"an Air Elemental Statue that activates the portal at Area 17 along with other loot"

That statement is incorrect. The Air Elemental Statue allows one to teleport to the Plane of Air where the djinni is located. And after the first teleport the statue disappears.

"and about the sword of chaos +2, I still get it from the djinni not from Cambion"

Yes that is also correct. Cambion drops Bastard Sword +1. I removed that statement from the Sword page, cleaned up the Irenicus' dungeon page, and added a link about the Air Statute to the freeing the djinni page.

I'm going on vacation for a few days so if you have more questions, feel free to ask and never be shy about it (there are no dumb questions), but no answer until next week. :) Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 20:03, May 3, 2017 (UTC)

Why hello Islandking,

How goes it my friend? I see you've been busy as ever. When I tested the freeing the djinni quest, I didn't use an imported character, so maybe what is written is still correct? I'll test it again in the future when I finish my BG game and play the BGIIEE game.

As for the wand of frost, it was originally changed for BGII and it looks like the developers left it that way. The BG version is cooler (I think) than the BGII version.

"White crystalline motes spray forth from the wand in a column towards the victim, striking them square in the chest with numbing force. The temperature inside the column is deadly, and damage is 8d6 with a Save vs. Wand for half."

Damaged didn't change, just the way it operates.

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 23:23, May 13, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

Yes it locked, but that is because I was using a new character not an imported one. From the current article and some of the more recent comments, it looks like the djinni gaves a different weapon based on what the imported character had equipped in their hand at the time of import from BG.

I just fixed Wand of Frost :)

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 03:17, May 15, 2017 (UTC)

A few problems fixed
Hi Islandking,

Sorry for responding so late to your messages, but I have made the redirection page a normal page as requested. But isn't it better to name the page of the creature Invisible Stalker (creature) and have use the page Invisible Stalker a disambiguation page, like Baldur's Gate for example?

About the spell when you want to add them to the infobox spell, you either add the to the following line to the infobox in case you want a show a small picture as the icon.

If you want to appear at the bottom of the page. But if you have a large picture for it, you add it to:
 * scroll icon    = the picture you want here.
 * image         = the picture you want here.

I hope this has solved your problems!

23dutch45man (talk) 17:59, May 21, 2017 (UTC)

Islandking,

I mixed up the users when I read the new messages on the talk page, it was Artimis who wrote the question about Invisible stalker.

About Mirror Image, the spell icon is in the infobox now. I only added some brackets like this:

image

The infobox template are a bit unpredictable when it comes to adding images.

About the large tables for spell properties, you can add the information to the specific spell page and maybe to the two following pages: Spells (Baldur's Gate) and Spells (Baldur's Gate II). If you don´t think it fits on any of these pages, you can make a new page for it and we could make some internal links to the page on the important pages and category pages about spells.

I will come back later on the problem you made a post about on the forums.

--23dutch45man (talk) 18:17, May 22, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

The Defender of Easthaven has indeed been changed by the developers for EE. My take would be to update the weapon info to the EE version with a nod to the original included within the body of the article.

Yes modded games do alter stats. I could test this but like I said before that will have to come later once I start up a new game in BGII. I think a few lines of discussion about the two kinds of rewards is an excellent idea.

As for adding companions, no that's not a mod thing, it's built into the game. The ability to choose weapon pips has always been a given for companions when they level up, if I remember right. Even in the original game. Now the developers gave one the option of going to max HP on every level up opportunity with the EE version. Before  you had to save and retry to get max HP. Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 19:36, May 22, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

Good job with the Defender of Easthaven page except for one minor detail, Easthaven is spelled wrong. Ah the little things eh ;)

I think you're right about auto leveling of companions in BG now that you mentioned it. I've looked for my original discs of BG and I can't find them. So I have no way of tapping into the original game to see what has changed. Like you said it's pretty much all from memory at this point, but it goes to show how much we have played this game...Ha! I just caught a change from the original Durlag's Tower side quest. The Flame Tongue blade (now called The Burning Earth) used to be located on Labyrinth Level 1 and now it is found on Labyrinth Level 4. Use to be you could start a game, sneak into the tower, disarm a few traps and make off with the sword early in the game. That was always fun. That sword would do some damage to weak opponents.

Ya I've been meaning to get over there and tight'n up that bestiary page.

Yes editing can be very time consuming, but it is fun to add to the knowledge. Good gaming.

Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 21:49, May 23, 2017 (UTC)

Hey Islandking, you missed one misspelling. Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 02:30, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Not a problem my friend, always good to have a second set of eyes checking things out. Get Dutchman to delete the old page altogether.

Ah but there is a difference. Monsters are just that....monsters, while creatures are the top of the "pecking order" in that every Character, Monster, NPC, etc is a Creature. Makes sense? Remember, when you create a new NPC or monster page, a creature infobox is necessary, so it automatically gets placed in the Creature category. Then you include that page in all of the categories relevant to it, monsters potentially being one of those categories. Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 03:23, May 24, 2017 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Hi Islandking,

I can't help you with any question about the infoboxes due to my limited knowlegde on templates. I have modified some infoboxes, like the item infobox, many times, but this was before the days before the infoboxes were portable. After this update in 2014 or 2015, the coding of the templates changed a lot, so I don't know much about the coding.

23dutch45man (talk) 15:10, June 3, 2017 (UTC)

Good Morning Islandking,

Not ignoring you, just been busy with other things, April - June is a very busy time for me workwise. Like Dutchman, I'm not that knowledgeable of how the infobox templates work. There have been times when I wanted to tweak an infobox but I don't want to mess it up. You may want to do a Google search for methods on how to accomplish what you're trying to do. Plus I'm not an administrator, so I don't have "special privileges".

I am intrigued by your ideas. As for the spell icon problem, it may have to do with the underscore "_" you inserted between the words spell and icon. Just keep trying, you'll get it figured out. Artimis Grimshaw (talk) 13:00, June 9, 2017 (UTC)

Good Job!
Good job on the Reputation overhaul. Much more informative and better organized than it was before. – Robin Hood  (talk)  19:55, July 18, 2017 (UTC)

Hello islandking!

As you know I'm new here and I hope that I reply now i a suitable way!

'''Hey there and welcome to BGwikia, a Baldur’s Gate knowledge base and community built by the fans, built for the fans! '''

Gejadus (talk) 22:47, July 19, 2017 (UTC)Thank you for your message! I appreciate your reply!

I read your edits on Black Pits 2 page, it’s a beautiful blend of bold font, underline and numeral paragraph formation, I like that, but while I appreciate your enthusiasm to contribute to our community, I do have several proposals for you to reconsider: 

That’s what I expected that you don’t agree with my writing and presentation style.

'''First, we credit source’s names and their links (provided they use the right licenses) at the end of the page content, but we certainly don’t put our names in the middle of the page, as our names are already recorded in the page’s history, plus there’d be a wall of names if every user left their marks here and there, which would severely hinder the readability as well as bury the page info. '''

<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">To be honest: I don’t care at all about my name. My name here is made up anyway and I want to stay anonymous. I just put my name in the middle of the page because I thought that’s what I’m supposed to do. I saw “by Abel” at the end of the page so I thought that I should do as well. Just delete my name! I don’t mind at all.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal">'''<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"">However, I fully understand that some users are very eager to credit themselves, thus I’ve filed a discussion to an active admin about the viability of a compromised solution which lets the users to use the first sentence “I” as well as adding their signatures in a section called “Gameplay (community)” which appears at the bottom of each article page, they may put their own tip & tricks, share their wisdom there since that’d be the only section where everyone can put their different opinions, much unlike the “facts” or other generally proven, universal gameplay tips which present under the “Gameplay” section. '''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Let me tell you my point of view: I’m just one excited BG I+II, EE player of thousands or hundreds of thousands players out there. In the year 1998 or 2000 (can’t remember exactly) when BG 1 was published I bought and played it and it became my favourite game, especially BG II. I was even more excited to discover that this wonderful game got even improved by the EE! Wow! New characters, quests etc.! Phantastigue! I don’t know how often I played BG II in my life. Perhaps 10 times. I switched to difficulty level Hard because I wanted to have a challenge. For a long time I didn’t even look at The Black Pits. I finally did and got excited…at the end I just couldn’t defeat The Winged and I was totally surprised. So I looked in the Google search for “Black Pits II Walkthrough” but to be honest I didn’t find a lot…I finally ended up here on your page. I fully understand that you want to have a wiki style here. Kind of encyclopedia. So general style. D’accord! It’s totally fine with me, it’s great! But I was very disappointed to see that there’s not much on your Walkthrough page concerning The Black Pits II. To make it short: I just thought that it would be good to add a solution here for the thousands of players who are looking for one like me. I realized that my style doesn’t fit. So in a second attempt I tried to replace my ‘I’ style by using a more general style ‘you’. I fully understand all your remarks and hints and advices. I don’t mind at all if you rewrite my stuff in a general way that it fits the wiki – style here and make/add it to your contribution. Just forget about my name (see above).

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"">Your stuff here is great but I didn’t find your given links to BG gameplay….or the community BG strategies 

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal">'''<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"">My personal opinion: For players like me it’s crucial to have good strategies. Please, please add clear and easy to follow links from your great wiki BG page to such BG strategies for playing! '''<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">You are creating here a wonderful piece of art regarding BG I+II, EE and I a general style there are hints given (you’re doing a kind of science stuff) but players like me who play BG in their spare time besides work and family want to enjoy playing and are looking for strategies! That’s utmost!

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Feel free to do with my article whatever you like.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">I could send to you or others here also a list of how to defeat all the other opponents in the area (Orcs – Bhaalspawn/-brut). You can rewrite it all in your style and make it fit to your great wiki.

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Just such a pity that you don’t find much concerning Black Pits II Walkthrough on your pages! Thousands of disappointed players!

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman""> '''Second, boss strategies are generally considered to put into “Gameplay”, or “Gameplay (community)” in the boss creature page rather than Walkthrough as everyone of us may use different approaches on how to defeat certain powerful enemies, but as there’s recently no The Winged page (feel free to create one!), for now we can move your strategies under BP2’s “Gameplay (community)” section and let you keep your name there, as mentioned above, while we discussing, what do you think? Worst scenario is, the discussion doesn’t go well, but you can always make announcements about what you’ve added via Blogs, or Profile page after you do your edits if that happens, but please do keep the blog number within a reasonable amount in order not to flood them. '''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal">'''<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"">Yes, everywhere has rules, even the place where everyone can edit, I sincerely hope for your understanding and comprehension. '''

<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto; line-height:normal">'''<span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family: "Times New Roman"">And last but not the least, Happy Editing! Let me know if I can be of any help. Islandking (talk) 15:27, July 19, 2017 (UTC)   '''

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Looking forward to your reply!

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">Gejadus

Hello Islandking!

Thank you also for adressing to 23dutch45man! I just realized it now.

I don't know when you read my contribution to The Black Pits II, Walkthrough but I already changed the 'I' style much more to a 'you' style many hours ago.

Just forget about 'by Gejadus', delete it and rewrite the small article if you like that it fits.

Looking foward to your reply!

Gejadus (talk) 03:18, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

<p class="MsoNormal"> Hello Islandking,

<p class="MsoNormal"> Thank your for your message   and all the information.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Yes, I’m happy if you do so: “ <span lang="EN" style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height: 115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:EN">I’ll copy your edits to "Gamplay (community)", where you may freely use “I” sentence and credit you name, setting an example there,…”. <span lang="EN" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-ansi-language:EN">Let me know when you’ve done it.

<p class="MsoNormal"> I nearly looked at all your links and I also found ‘Gameplay community’ through the Fandom Search on top of each page. I discovered Trodoon80 in the Beamdog’s forum. I’m convinced in Beamdog’s forum lots of useful information can be found! I really hope that these guys from Beamdog will create and produce Baldur’s Gate III ! I’m totally excited about these Enhanced Editions. I can’t say anything about Siege of Dragonspear yet because I’m abroad but I will buy it when I’m back in Germany.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Unfortunately all the information in Beamdog’s forum is not presented in such a nice way like in the BGwikia here. I’m just the kind of guy who likes excellent stuff like you guys have here on BGwikia and I don’t want to search and read of hundreds of information from others. Y ou invite people to expand your   Black Pits II walkthrough because it’s a stub yet. What I suggest is: '''Let’s work on a Black Pits II walkthrough! As far as I know there doesn’t exist any written one yet!!' '' If I should be wrong so, please send me a link! YoDsanklai     recommends the following walkthroughs on his profile site here: <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">- Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear walkthrough by Ahti Lilura  <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">- Baldur's Gate II walkthrough by Montresor (does not include the Enhanced Edition)  <span style="font-size:12.0pt;line-height:115%;font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"; mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"">- Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition walkthrough by Haeravon

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"> What <span lang="EN-GB" style="mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";mso-bidi-font-family: "Times New Roman"">   players are really interested in is a nice walkthrough in a written form through the Blaack Pits II with the final question: How to I defeat The Winged?

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"> You also did it here with Durlag’s Tower!

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal">''' Let me compare your great BGwikia page with BG fans working together on a painting of a person! ''' If people here work for e.g. on Kivan it’s nice to get all these informations…but e.g. if Kivan doesn’t want to stay with me in my party I don’t care I’ll take Coran instead who’s much better anyway. Improving Kivan is like painting a perfect eye of a person. '''But if you have no solutions in your walkthrough   for the Black Pits II how to defeat the strong opponents and finally The Winged it’s like the person you’re painting is missing one whole arm! '''Many fans are just disappointed!

<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;line-height: normal"> In my eyes it doesn’t matter if the walkthrough is not complete and nearly perfect at once – you can call it a draft and we can see who else contributes to this task.

<p class="MsoNormal"> Looking forward to your reply! Gejadus

<p class="MsoNormal"> Gejadus (talk) 07:30, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

Thank you so much!

I just went to the Black Pits II here again and I saw that you moved my stuff to the bottom of the page!

Great! I'm happy about it!

Feel free to improve and correct it!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 07:40, July 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

Thank you for your message!

aha, you are very interested in writing a Siege of Dragonspear walkthrough and you already worked on it quite a bit! Great!

I will buy SoD after coming back to Germany.

'''>>> I have to Dell Latitude laptops and the BG EE versions run fine on them. Would I need a special graphics card for playing SoD? Or is it like this: when the BG versions run on my laptops SoD will run automatically as well?'''

I'm convinced that Beamdog puts a huge effort in producing SoD. They did great with the BG EE versions so I can imagine that SoD is also really good, perhaps even excellent! I read that some computer game guys in Germany were not so satisfied. I mean, BG is legend and if Beamdog tries to create something similiar it's an extreme challenge. Expectations combined with memories of playing (nostalgia) are just too high. I'm looking forward to playing SoD myself.

I heard about bugs in the first versions.Have there been improvements by Beamdog?

First I will continue to write on this Black Pits II walkthrough in the style I did cocncerning 'How to defeat The Winged?'. Please feel always free to improve my stuff.

After playing SoD I will let you know...I would be interested in writing some quests after my SoD run but I don't know if I would find the time to...I have family and I'm employed and I have a very small company of mine own and I'm working on my product...I'm a busy man...

Looking forward to hearing from you again!Gejadus (talk) 10:15, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

Thank you for your message again!

"use the default font and style while inputting texts". - I thought that you are using

Calibri (body): 11

So I just wrote my stuff on a word document and copied it into your great BGwikia.

But if this is not the proper way to do it I can just type here as well by using the default font.

Please let me know which font you're exactly using and how I should do it.

I'm very much looking forward to playing SoD!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 19:17, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

Yes! SoD by GameBanshee ist great stuff!

Gejadus (talk) 19:26, July 21, 2017 (UTC)

Good morning Islandking!

aha, you already read the new stuff that I added to The Black Pits II.

Thank you for your wonderful feedback!!!

I tell you it's really great fun to play the Black Pits II! If you should ever do just follow my instructions if you like and than you could add your own improvements!

My plan is to continue working on it the next days - that we have a framework - and the over the next weeks just improve it bit by bit. At the end I'll try to add links etc...if I get stuck I'll ask you.

I think it would be very importatnt to have a security copy of the whole Black Pits II page! I would feel terrible if I made a mistake by accident in editing and suddenly your whole page would be gone!!!

Do such security copies exist?

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 06:13, July 22, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking!

Thank you again for your message!

I like the link to the statistics page!

'''It's good to know that there's a wonderful backup! Great!'''

'''I'm nearly done with the framework for The Black Pits II Walkthrough! Puuuuuuh! Quite a bit of work!'''

I started to put in links e.g. Daystar; Carsomyr etc. It works. I could figure it out.

I just don't understand why the links to Slayer from and Vhailor's Helm etc don't wotk. It says that there doesn't exit any page. But it does here! I'm alittle bit confused.

Ok. Looking forward to hearing from you!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 08:27, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you so much, Islandking!
Your advice helps a lot! Great!

I made my own way of linking out of it:

1.) I highlight the expression e.g. Ring of Gaxx in the text

2.) I click the link symbol

3.) If the page exits in the wikia 'Ring of Gaxx' shows up in the first column

4.) I see my own text in the 2nd column below

5.) I just copy the given expression from wikia in the 1st column and insert it in the 2nd and press 'ok'

That's it!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 23:09, July 23, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

The main work on Gejadus Walkthrough is done now!

I will read it through several times and probably make some more small improvements.

Do you have any ideas what else could be improved?

I can't add any pictures. I also don't know if it would be necessary.

Bye!

Gejadus!

Gejadus (talk) 04:06, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for your great help!
Hello Islandking!

I'm proof reading the Black Pits II Walkthrough over and over again and improve it.

It was lots of fun to create this Walkthrough. I enjoyed it a lot! Thank you so much for your great help in it! Without all your help, especially reagrding the links it would have taken much longer.

All the links that I added lead to topics/articles with pictures. I don't feel like I should look for pictures.

If you have some ideas to improve this Walkthrough please let me know!

Looking forward to your reply!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 08:26, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Hallo Islandking!

I made some small more improvements on the Walkthrough! I'm nearly done!

Feel free to improve my editing if there's stuff that you don't like so much!

When you will finally play The Black Pits II read my guide and improve more if you like. For example the gladiators in prison who are willing to join in you in the battles in the arena could all be mentioned and described. According to Dennaton they are all legends!

I'm still abroad. When I'll be finally back in Germany after a longer time I'll play Siege of Dragonspear. I'm really looking forward to playing it.I'll let you know what my impression is.

I will be here on this great wikia server from time to time but life goes on for me!

Great to get to know you here, Islandking!

Bye!

Gejadus!

Hello Islandking,

"it's all good, just remember to use Ctrl+Shift+V  the next time you paste a Word draft, or there'll be too many unnecessary codes left in the page."

You realised my problem!

That's what I was struggling with when I worked on these pages. So much unnecessary stuff showed up that I had to delete again! aha, not only Ctrl + V, but:  Ctrl+Shift+V .

I hope that I remember!

I might just go 1 or 2 times through the whole text again in order to improve last small spelling mistakes...

I might just also play BG Pits II again myself in order to see that it all works well how I described it and that I didn't mix up names e.g. from Tartle and Brodle.

If ever all should get lost by my silly editing you have a backup! Good to know!

I would like to know if already more people look at this

The Black Pits II: Gladiators of Thay
page for getting some hints or  solutions for playing the Black Pits II. I don't know anything because no one has left any comment so far.

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 21:52, July 24, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

thank you for your message again!

I won't take long to replay BG Pits II. I guess, following my own instructions it will take me about 5 hours.

But this time I'll add a Bard to my party and will play without any thief. So probably I won't have access to the room of The Winged and I can't steal her powerful gloves. I curious if she will wear these gloves in the final battle if they didn't get stolen!

If  I don't manage well with Ctrl+Shift+V I might even rewrite the whole text in a word document and add the whole huge text (9 or 10 pages) at once.

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 03:42, July 25, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

this would be great!

I'll check it the following days.

The Main work on the Walkthrough is really done now! While playing Black Pits II again I'm still improving the Walkthrough a little bit.

Gejadus (talk) 01:12, July 27, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

"I’ve found a way to cleanup those unnecessary codes in the BP2 page."

yes, it's great! I don't have problems any more with saving my stuff! Thank you so much!

Only Wild Mage Gerrold Dunkelbold in the middle of the Walkthrough (before Tier 3) go mixed up a bit.

nstead of Dulf letting this produce for you you address to the Wild Mage Gerrold Dunkelbold who does it for less money. Gerrold needs a property from Bannor.

Someone it looks like this: Wild

Mage Gerrold Dunkelbold who does.....

Can you fix it?

It's nearly unbelievable - I'm still improving the Walkthrogh...

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 04:29, July 30, 2017 (UTC)

Walkthroughs
Hi Islandking,

About the walkthrough on the Gladiators of Thay page, what do you think about moving the entire walkthrough to a new page with the word walkthrough on the end, like this one and adding the category walkthrough on such pages?

I was also thinking of adding the category walkthroughs to the Articles and Categories template and making the Durlag's Tower the model page for walkthroughs.

About the change in category structure, I will give a reply a few days later.

23dutch45man (talk) 18:02, July 30, 2017 (UTC)

Name of the category The Black Pits 2 or The Black Pits II: Gladiators of Thay
Hello Islandking and Dutchman!

I just used the Google search for The Black Pits 2 and the first article mentioned is yours from baldursgate.wikia!

The Black Pits 2. Wow! If you click on this link you really come to Baldur's Gate Wiki, but you only see the 'Rewards' page, nothing else! So I added a link to The Black Pits II: Gladiators of Thay because we have much more than only the Rewards.

Feel free to improve my link and make it in a proper way!

On 'The Black Pits II: Gladiators of Thay' page the rewards are labeld different: 'Rewards system'.

We have also two expressions or labels for the Black Pits: Black Pits 2 and Black Pits II.

I enjoyed writing the Black Pits II Walkthrough a lot! But please feel free to improve it nd make it nicer! It's also totally fine for me if you rewrite in a more general style. You can also delete everwhere where Gejadus or 'I' is mentioned...I'm not offended. I just played the Black Pits II, enjoyed it a lot and wrote on a piece of paper for myself how to defeat the enemies in the battles. After some time I wanted to check if there's a written Black Pits II Walkthrough online but I didn't find any and found your great Baldur's Gate Wikia page. I thought for myself, I'm an quite experienced player regarding BG II, EE and Throne of Bhaal but I can't defeat The Winged? How comes? I fought against The WInged and found solutions and are still looking for new solutions. Perhaps the Imprisonment spell works on The Winged as well if you don't combine it with Time Stop. That's what I'm going to test next.

So I was struggling in defeating her and I thought that I'm probabaly not the only one...there are thousands perhaps hundreds of thousand players out there who struggle as well that's why I added the small article 'How to defeat The Winged' to you great wikia.

Afterwards I worked on a personal, subjective whole Walkthrough... and I learnt a little bit about editing (making links etc) and I'm still learning.

Feel free to improve the whole Walkthrough (add, delete etc) and move it whereever you want!

It's nice that I could contribute a little bit to this great Baldur's Gate Wikia!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 03:06, July 31, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

thank you for your message. Yes, just dicuss it with an administrator what you want to do.

Probably it would be best to delete the small Black Pits 2 page with only the reward overview.

Concerning Google search: Can we do it like this that people would find Black Pits II by searching for Black Pits II and Black Pits 2?

Discuss what the name of the page here in Baldur's Gate Wiki should be: Black Pits II or Black Pits 2?

I don't have the game BG EE in English, I have the German version only so I don't know what Beamdog itself calls the Black Pits, Black Pits II or Black Pits 2.

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 07:58, July 31, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

I just looked at your diversion/detour/ redirection or whatever it is in English.

Great job! It works!

Gejadus!

Gejadus (talk) 08:04, July 31, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

Thank you for all your improvements! Excellent!

I checked the Database Dumps and checked the popular pages and realized that there's an increase concerning how often people look at the The Black Pits II: Gladiators of Thay page. That's encouraging!

Unfortunately I had to improve some stuff what Abel wrote regarding the Reward System. He said that you only have three attempts for getting the nice items as rewards from your fans. All further attempts are in vain. That is wrong. Of course you are able to get ALL nice reward items if you're just patient enough. I improved it. It's about accuracy. I don't like to do such things...but I had to.

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 07:48, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

yes, now I understand it better what the author Abel wanted to say.

Yes, please rewrite it and add that finally you are able to get all rewards if you're just patient enough and keep on fighting the same battle.

Thanks!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 08:38, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Reward system
Hello Islandking!

I had a quick look at your rewritten reward system and it looks great!

I'll have a closer look later...I have to work...

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 22:32, August 2, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

Thank you for your hard work on the Reward system!

The new percentages are much more likely! Abel's percentages were too low in my eyes.

55% -> 57% seems to be ok ( a player addresses heroically). BUT! In my eyes it's like this: if you adress heroically all the time you will never get any item as reward! To adress heroically to the fans is answer nr.1 in the dialogue with Dennaton. But if you want to get an item you have to tell this your fans (answer nr.3) and you can't adress heroically to them at the same time...That's how it works in my opinion.

For example: first battle agsinst the Orcs: If you want to get a reward you will adress to your fans at once with answer nr.3...I don't think that any one cheers them up 3 times first to make it more likely that he'll get an item from then (57%) and asks in the 4th battle against the Orcs his fans to give an item.

Best would be if you just start playing yourself in the beginning to see how the reward system works.

Gejadus!

Gejadus (talk) 22:44, August 5, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking!

it reallt looks good to me what you've rewritten. It makes sense! Excellent!

You have just forgotten to add an 's' to start => starts

"...a party who start at 55% chance ..."

... a party who (that) starts at 55%.....

I started to play a Fighter Mage Walkthrough with a Fighter Mage from the scratch: Only 500 000 exp points in the beginning. I nearly thought I would have to give up playing against the Drows (Battle 5). But I finally managed. Today I will fight the Monks (Battle 11).

Might be that I add a Solo Walkthrough Strategy/Solution if I manage to defeat the Winged with my Fighter Mage. Don't know if I'll manage.

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 21:40, August 8, 2017 (UTC)

Solo Walkthrough
Hello Islandking!

I managed my Solo Walkthrough with a Fighter Mage successfully. I could defeat The Winged. I used a Fighter Mage from scratch!! This was a real challange!

The Solo Strategy is a lot different from playing with a party.

I observed the statistics in the database dumps: The page views for Black Pits II. Gladiators of Thay were at 1993 at the end of July 2017 (same for lighthouse). On the 2nd of August: 2573 and now recenly 2801 (8th of August 2017).

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 22:37, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

Beamdog Forum
Hello Islandking!

I'm very seldom in the Beamdog Forum.

What's the actual topic there?

What are  most people there interested in right now?

Are there any discussions about Baldur's Gate III?

Do you have any information?

Thanks!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 22:52, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

SLAYER FORM
Hi Islandking!

You just recently improved the Slayer Form! I looked at the article. I like it!

Great job!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 22:54, August 10, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

thank you for your links! I especially like the first one!

I was crazy busy lately but I'm here again. I realised a strong interest in the Black Pits II stuff here in the database dumps. Insights.popular pages, page views, last 4 weeks. That's why I'm adding two Solo Walkthroughs...I managed to defeat the Winged and her companions with a single Dwarven Defender! ;-) Nearly unbelievable but true!

Do I see right? Is there a new editor?

How's playing BG II EE? Where are you right now? In the Planar Prison for rescuing Haer Daelis?

Happy editing! You're really diligent!

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 11:35, August 16, 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the welcome message :)
Hi! Was curious whether to post a reply on my talk page or to leave a message on yours, but seeing the past conversion history it seems that the latter is preferred (but it triggers the notification, so fair enough). Unfortunately wiki talk pages never were ideal when it comes to discussion, but well :).

About the what links here, yup, I am aware of it – I was actually looking at what links to the original pages I moved yesterday (not much it turned out, pretty much only books themselves plus one shop which I will change eventually). On the other hand, I figured I actually fixed a few red links on Gullykin, as it was linking to the then-non-existing history book pages, so I wasn't the only one expecting to find the books under that name :P.

Guess I'd have to mention though, that I am not using a default Wikia skin and instead using a classic MonoBook skin, as I can't stand the Wikia layout at all and I don't really have need for the social features (I still see the comments under pages though) – I prefer Gamepedia as it uses modified MonoBook by default, but at least I can set it on Wikia too. Unfortunately the wiki looks kinda bland with that skin (it uses Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance GameCube box as a logo :P) but I guess not all hope is lost, as Forgotten Realms Wiki uses a nicely looking MonoBook as well as Wikia layout :). I also don't use the Visual Editor and the Infobox Builder you mention doesn't even displays properly undeer MonoBook, so if I'd be editing something, it will be from the source code directly, so if you see something breaking under default skin and/or visual editors, feel free to correct that or let me know! (Though I don't suspect it happening often if at all, unless it'll be my explicit fault :P).

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 11:10, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

Quoting yours, "it’s difficult (or nearly impossible) to change back to Infobox Builder mode ever again" you mean it's difficult to change it back for my account once I edit it or to change it back for everyone editing the infobox later? If the first, then it's no problem for me, since I don't want to use any visual help anyway, and if the latter, I'd be really surprised if even a simple typo change would mess something for other (and if so then it's a serious flaw in Wikia! But fortunately, there's always history you can undo or rollback), as long as the rest stays unchanged – though I can imagine removing (even accidentally) something may easily break the visual infobox builder somehow. Either way, I wont't be planning on editing the templates in the nearest feature anyway, and if anything I'd be rather more up to suggesting the change so someone else could implement them as well :).

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:42, August 17, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Hi Faalagorn, a question if I may
Forgot myself and wrote a reply on my talk page, so I guess I'll leave a message here as well - take a look at my reply at User talk:Faalagorn.

Also, if you missed it, I made a discussion about imptoving the item infobox at Template talk:Infobox item, so you may look at it!

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 10:42, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

Re: About improvements and usage guidelines
It seems you confused a lot of what I said - it seems you mostly confused my suggestions to the documentation with suggestions to the template itself :P – let me break it down


 * I’m not sure what you mean, do you suggest we add new IB such as “infobox:weapon” “infobox:gem” “infobox:potion”, “infobox:wands” etc?

Nope, it's not about the infobox itself, just the documentation ("Usage & preview"), i.e. instead of only showing one table for all the items, I'd add use-cases for different items, for example for gem items:

^ This is only an example though, not a final version, and it depends how many use-cases for different items we want to encompass – mostly to clearly indicate that only a short subset of the table is needed for the non-equipable items using the same item infobox, no need to duplicate the work with the new infoboxes, gladly :).


 * From my experience using visual editor, it’s just like scrolling up & down searching for blanks I want to fill in, I don’t need to remove anything, does source mode require removing all unfilled fields?

I have no idea how visual editor works, so maybe it's vastly different for most wikia editors, as it's the default one - basically I want the page code to be easily editable and not cluttered, but that may be non-issue for visual edits, though not having the values lower the page edit size.


 * You mean there’s a way to remove the fillable blank of “name” while still maintaining the article name on top of the IB?

Yes. As per documentation "The given name of the item. Note: Does not have to be filled in, unless the name of the page and the head of the template don't match."


 * “Other name” should be left intact imo, as there’re a number of items with 2 different names.

See #2 - never suggested removing it from the template, I only referenced to the fact that it doesn't necessary have to be listed in all the pages with empty value (but that may be non-issue, as it's only one blank parameter at most)


 * Never noticed the “title” thing myself ;-) where is it?

It's listed in infobox usage


 * “Area” & “Place” exist long before I know this site, I figured that area is, well, an “area” that contains “places”, I saw some pages just put “Beregost, Candlekeep, Nashkel” in “Area” for items that can be found in various places. And we have the main article to explain the details anyway.

Indeed, I actually realized that the "place", "coordinates" and "obtained from" are not even listed in the documentation (but are in source), so that definitely needs an improvement (still, no idea what is the preferred method of adding multiple locations; separate them by comma? That would need to be explicitly written in the documentation IMO to avoid confusion, too)


 * “Appears in” bugs me as well, but as I was editing those IBs, I generally don’t delete or modify the existing fields, because doing that will make the content that already made in those fields disappear and we may accidently delete some good edits by others. What I’m suggest here, is to use "bg", totsc", "bg:sod" "bg2:tob"“bg2ee:tob” etc. in the field, not the full lengthy names. This way we deliver the message while maintaining the existing edits.

That should be solvable via yes/no as most Wikipedia templates do. Wikipedia's Infobox video game only have the collapsable as a yes/no, but you should get the idea: bg = yes, totsc = yes etc. with the default value being "no".


 * What’s on your mind about order sorting?

Again, it's just the documentation, so it doesn't matter with visual edits

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:59, August 18, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Nice update on item IB
With infobox I indeed browsed the source to expose the hidden attributes to public, though I see there may be some redundant fields, or at least could use some explaniation how to be used, but that's something for future – there's one field that even have a typo, "item icom caption" ;).

About the colors, you should be able to use any color out of 24-bit palette, actually even 24-bit for colors + 8bit for alpha (semi)transparency from the HTML standard, but I wouldn't go overboard with using too much colors everywhere for the clarity sake ;). The most common way is using hexadecimal color pattern, but you should also be able to use rgb(255,255,255) or rgba(255,255,255,1). With the hexadecimal each two letters convert a value from 0-255 to 00-FF for red, green and blue respectively, and for RGB(A) you just input the colors as numbers (and alpha between 0 = invisible to 1 = full transparency, 0.5 being 50% transparent). You should actually be able to use HSL and HSLA too, (hue, saturation, luminescance), but under normal circumstances it's not really needed. Some popular colors can even be named. Also some color codes can be shortened to just 3 letters so #000000 can be #000 to save space. Anyway without going technical, the preferred way is using #000000 color codes and you can often get them from your favourite graphical program or color picker, you can also use tools built-in modern browsers usually accessed somewhere in the window opened by pressing F12, but there are also websites that can help you choose a color, like the official w3schools, but you can easily find others by typing something in line "html colors" in google. To use it as a style you can write style="color:#FF0000" (or style="color:#F00" or style="color:red", though I don't see named colors being used often. With RGB it's <span style="color:rgb(255,0,0)">style="color:rgb(255,0,0)" and with 50% transparency <span style="color:rgba(255,0,0,.5)">style="color:rgba(255,0,0,.5)" It doesn't matter if the letters are uppercase or lowercase, spaces as always doesn't matter and with transparency the zero before dot can be omitted like I shown. Just remember about the "#" sign for hex codes.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:07, August 19, 2017 (UTC)

Keep in mind though, that transparent color will look different in different backgrounds - for example on while background (current default for MonoBook) <span style="color:rgba(255,0,0,.5);background-color:#FFF">style="color:rgba(255,0,0,.5)" will look the same as <span style="color:rgb(255,127,127);background-color:#fff">style="color:rgb(255,127,127)" (or hex equivalent of style="color:#ff7f7f" ), so I'd rather use them when you want to actually keep the transparency, for example when a background is a non-solid color: <span style="color:rgba(255,0,0,.5);background:linear-gradient(to right,#fff,#000)">style="color:rgba(255,0,0,.5)". Also, (very) old browsers may not support rgba transparency or some newer tags at all, though it should mostly not matter for desktops, maybe some older handheld device/console or some smart TV, where they will either display a fixed color or nothing at all.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 15:13, August 19, 2017 (UTC)

I like the first more personally, but I may not be the best to judge, as I'm one of the few that doesn't use the regular skin :P

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 15:31, August 19, 2017 (UTC)

I have yet to see use this ingame, but she has the spell learned ready for lvl 5 spells Patch log mentioned it on table on page 27 and it's also said in oine of the notes "Jaheira now knows the Harper’s Call spell and cancast it when she gains access to the appropriate level of spells (18047)"

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 18:01, August 19, 2017 (UTC)

Good point about Jaheira, forgot she's a multi-class. Theoretically the spell is there but indeed the XP may prevent use it for here and on top of that she can't be used in Black Pits, which also nets the highest XP gain – so the only use-cases would be SoD or some mod that raises XP cap. I initially thorught of marking it as "SOD", but I realized there's no template, so for now I didn't touch it :P.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 13:15, August 20, 2017 (UTC)

There are more pages that require the "name" field explicitly listed, for example Joia's Flamedance Ring (quest), or the hobgoblins. I never intended removing it from the template itself, it was just about the (code) usage in page text, but as I noticed earlier, based on my discussion, that shouldn't mean anything when using visual editor, since the infobox code is not shown there :P.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 10:20, August 21, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

it's me again after a longer time.

I just added  a Black Pits 2 Sorcerer Solo Walkthrough. So there are 4 Walkthroughs for Solo players now. The Sorcerer seems to be the strongest Solo Player. I'm impressed by his/her abilities!

I'll improve these 4 Solo Walkthroughs step by step and bit by bit. My main work her is done now. I never thought that I would write here so much...probably about 30-40 DINA4 pages. Crazy! But it was fun!

I saw that the page views for Black Pits 2 went up a lot in the last 4 weeks. I'll observe if it continues.

That's what I told you in the beginning. Many player like me who just enjoy playing in their spare time want to find Game play solutions here as well. Not only the nice scientific art stuff that is great!

Ok. I enjoyed a lot contributing here a little bit.

I see that there's another person now who is even much more eager than I am to contribute stuff: Faalagorn! Wow! (👋 —Faalagorn☎/✓)

Gejadus

Gejadus (talk) 11:43, August 27, 2017 (UTC)

Dialogues
Thanks for the Thurtson's dialoge edit :). I mostly leave the dialogues untouched for now, as I eventually plan on adding a template to allow for easily transcription of the dialogues and extract them in game to add to wiki eventually, but in the meantime feel free to adjust the existing ones :P. —Faalagorn☎/✓ 16:38, August 28, 2017 (UTC)

There's a bit of confusion how to handle  tags over the years – it stemmed from the fact that when XHTML was introduced, all the HTML tags had to be closed, else the XHTML webpage would not render at all, since XML require closing all tags. That forced people to close the tags such as "br" as. However, since some old web browsers had trouble when no space was present it started to br written with the space as . XHTML compatibility was a good practice overall, as it forced for the code to be clean while giving compatibility with XML, however with the advent of HTML5 it pretty much never catch up, and as far as HTML5 goes, it doesn't care whether you close tags or not, so now it's kinda matter of preference and the clean code.

I myself am very puzzled about the preferred method on wiki – initially I started to add the space and slash on the pages I edited, especially since I saw some pages also having them that way, though as the space is not required, as it only mattered in ancient Internet Explorer and Netscape Navigators which virtually no one uses nowadays, I started to wonder whether the preferred method is to avoid the space, but leave the "/" for the clearer XHTML-compatible code, especially since I saw that Wiki itself has a seems that it didn't work, at least in preview – you can test it yourself, though, maybe it's just issues on my side and if not you can decide whether any help is needed and whether or not social media integrations are worthwhile to bother with (even if not, it could come handy for some other features, so maybe it'd be good to be sure it works properly nevertheless).

Other than that, there are some major-ish stuff that come to my mind that may not essentially need contacting FANDOM staff directly, but might prove otherwise difficult without help:
 * I'd love to have some MonoBook improvements carried on from Forgotten Realms Wiki – I talked about this before, but you can compare our blank white MonoBook with theirs by changing the skin temporarily with Special:Preferences and visit both wikis.
 * We already have "partnership" with Forgotten Realms Wiki and Icewind Dale Wiki (which actually was created by User:23dutch45man after this wiki), and appropriate Template:FRW and Template:IWDW on our side and Template:BGW on them (w:c:forgottenrealms:Template:BGW and w:c:icewinddale:Template:BGW), but there's also Torment Wiki that covers Planescape: Torment and recent Beamdog's enhanced edition (shared with inXile's Torment: Tides of Numenera). I have to say I didn't play PST yet, but I believe despite a different setting (Planescape rather than Forgotten Realms), some items still remain the same due to shared Infinity Engine and Beamdog's treatment, so they could use linking and our both communities could help each other :) (that requires us talking to Torment's wiki community)
 * We probably could use some more maintenance temples. So far we have some of the basic ones like the ones in Category:Article management templates, but we will need more for things like it proved with my recent addition of Template:About, and the existing ones require better formatting to blend better with wiki.
 * Also, with the absense of User:23dutch45man, some help with Template:Baldur's Gate series could be useful, as I don't know why it bahaves as such (Baldur's Gate and Baldur's Gate II should be aligned).

By the way, I also noticed that your bots left an empty line from removing categories, such as

It's a minor issue that doesn't matter unless in source edit mode and while and can probably easily be fixed by issuing a new command for bots to either remove two double lines or if wanting to only remove the categories to issue a match of "]]\n\n" recursively, but it might be worth a notice in the future :)

Finally back to categories, to make it clear – Category:Spells and Category:Abilities remain totally separate as of now, and neither of them goes as a subcategory of each other, right?

Also, what it ended up with the categories such as Category:Baldur's Gate City or Category:Nashkel, guess they are scheduled for deletion based on our prior discussions? Also I'm aware categorization is far from being complete, so I guess Category:Items will see their turn later too :).

Another question is about the Status Effects – I have yet to take care of it completely, but assuming we will want each status effect to have a separate page (do we? I actually never discussed it, just saw the initial work on it), do we need to split them to Category:Beneficial State Effect and Category:Harmful State Effect equivalents? I know they are split as such in the table, but is the line always so clear? For example In Dialog, In Store and Level Up icons are only informative (arguably "level up" can either be beneficial – as leveling up gives clear benefits or even harmful, as having the icon means you didn't reap the level up boni yet!) and things such as Free Action status effect are arguably not-so-beneficial either when you want to cast Haste or Improved Haste on it.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 13:25, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Main category layout
While you were brainstorming other categories, I brainstormed and kinda finished the layout of the main categories, which should also include all future categories.

Currently, mostly the main categories were uncategorized, see Special:UncategorizedCategories. I looked on how other wikis handle the categories – Wikipedia proved to be way too complicated for our standards, which is understandable giving the scope of it, but I liked how the Official Pillars of Eternity Wiki we drew inspiration from before handles the categories and mostly based our layout on it – basically, there's two main categories, one for the whole franchise and one for the wiki itself (information about project, images, templates and maintenance categories) – "Pillars of Eternity franchise" and "Pillars of Eternity Wiki‎" both bundled under "Category:Contents" (ignore "Cut content‎", as someone probably put it there without thinking later on).

With that in mind, I take a look on how it looks in here. Other than most bigger categories being currently uncategorized, as mentioned above, we have Category:Browse as the main category. There's also Category:Content inside it, but it's currently a mess and handles some of the Baldur's Gate Wiki related pages. Other Baldur's Gate Wiki related pages are held in Category:Organization, which is pretty unfortunate name considering we have Category:Organizations for in-game organizations. Then there's "Files" category that consist images and other media. This layout probably exists from Baldur's Gate 2 Wiki, where they also have Category:Browse with the same layout.

Knowing that, I, yet again, updated my User:Faalagorn/Categories page with the new layout, loosely based on PoE wiki, but with keeping as much existing categories. I only think about renaming "Affiliated Media" to "Affiliated media" (casing), rename "Browse" to "Content" (Contents?) and existing "Content" to something else, and rename "Organization" to something more fitting – all the propositions are listed on my page, but if in doubt, I could just follow the naming scheme of PoE (Contents -> Baldur's Gate franchise), but feel free to throw any suggestions.

Other than that, I'd need to create a new category "Baldur's Gate series" where the main Category:Areas, Category:Creatures, Category:Items, Category:Spells etc will belong – that way, all the BG saga could get grouped together and will allow Dark Alliance or any future series to get a separate set of categories if needed – this is not a priority though, as we have no such articles yet. Also it allowed to make a new categories for affiliated games allowing us to put the Icewind Dale, Planescape: Torment, Neverwinter Nights and other such games into their own separate category.

I also took inspiration from PoE again and changed "Game lore" to "World", as the first was confusing enough with Lore.

Finally, I also though of adding Category:Developers with Category:Companies, Category:Technologies and Category:People (the latter have ambiguous name, but we have no such pages so it can wait),

I was also looking if there's any Wikia to follow, but it seems that things like Fallout or WoW Wikias are even more chaotic (they both moved to Gamepedia though, but I was unable to find a current list of gaming wikias to look for the biggest/oldest communities). Final Fantasy Wiki you mentioned, however, is kinda similar in that with their Category:Main category.

About the items – I see you only kept the separation for BG, TotSC, BG:EE, SoD, BG2 SoA/ToB and BG2:EE SoA/ToB only for areas and npc creatures, and not for other categories, so unless you want to split items by games as well, the separation for weapons -> melee/ranged-> exact types and armor -> slot -> type of armor is good point of start, that only needs to be improved upon.

I have a list of item types in-game in User:Faalagorn/Categories, so you could use that as a point – just remember to rename Category:Quarterstaffs to Category:Quarterstaves.

I can also make a detailed category map for items (Weapons, Armors, Miscellaneous) if you want.

P.S. Oh, and about enemy spells & abilities – yeah, that's why I asked so mach about the differences between the two and wanted to treat them similarily initially – you mentioned that the spells have a casting tame, so maybe that would allow you to split them? There would be need to have both enemy spells and enemy abilities categories under spells and abilities then. N.b. are there truly unique spells unavailable for players that appear in "spells" when enemy is charmed? And if they cannot be naturally charmed during normal game, how about when forcing it through console/NI/keeper/mod?

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 19:30, September 19, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

thank you for tips on gameplay, especially this one:  Haste spell can make the scroll reading speed much shorter! That's very useful!

I'm playing a Black Pits II Solo Assassin (pure) Walkthrough right now and have to say that he easily managed the first 10 Battles so far. I'm also playing an Assassin (level 14) - Fighter (Dual Class; human) and he's incredibly strong! He defetaed the Drows and Vampires easily!

I would like to start 2 NEW Solo Walkthroughs: 3.5 Assassin and 3.6 Assassin (level 14) - Fighter (Dual-class). I'm already playing them and it's nice just to be able to write results immediately down in the Walkthrough itself istead of writing it on paper etc and transferring the stuff later. I habe NO access to these categories. '''Please either give me access for editig this contents box on the Gejadus Walkthrough or just add 3.5 Assassin and 3.6 Assassin (level 14) - Fighter (Dual-class) yourself. '''

Thank you so much!

I will also address to Faalagorn about it.

Gejadus (talk) 05:25, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Re: Main category layout
The order of categories is something that is totally up to each wiki and it seems it vary wildly, though from what I understand, you want to remove remove both the Category:Browse and Category:Content and replace them with "Main category" wording, replace Category:Files with Category:Media and put it inside Category:Main category and not inside Category:Baldur's Gate Wiki and then don't create "Category:Baldur's Gate series", "Category:Dark Alliance series" and "Category:Other games" but just put games inside the "Category:Baldur's Gate series"? Initially I was confused, but that might make sense actually, since the names of the games are inside, so we could technically add even "Category:Areas in BG:DA" if we would like to add Dark Alliance areas – you look more abstract on the plan compared to my technical vision which could actually work better :P.

Indeed, there's Category:Terminology which currently host both FR-lore pages and pages belonging to game mechanics – you want to keep it named as such? I thought of renaming it due to confusion with gameplay terminology, but it can stay actually if you want, that way we avoid creating new category. Keep in mind though that FF Wiki's Category:Terminology consist of gameplay terms, not the world – they actually have "Organizations" and "Locations" as a separate categories (out Locations being Toril, Faerûn, Sword Coast, Amn, Waterdeep etc – meaning they are either not a location from game or a broader term).

It's singular staff, plural staves and quarterstaff > quarterstaves. I was actually surprised that the terms "staffs" and "quarterstaffs" are technically correct too, but they are rarely used, and the game and the manuals calls them as "staves" and "quarterstaves" respectively as well, so guess that's the preferred naming :).

When it comes to spells and abilities, yeah, the game is full of atrocities. There are .EFF files in the game that hold various effects, including passive modifiers, but they lack names and can vary from as simple as modify color to adding proficiciencies, modifying stats or THAC0. I leave that to you, since you have different vision that I :P.

Compare: w:c:fallout vs or w:c:wowwiki vs  when it comes to amount of pages, recent editors and overall quality of material (actually Fallout wikis are similar, just the community is spread now). They both originated on Wikia but moved to different hosting because of dissatisfaction of Wikia, without going into details you can google or look for Wikipedia for more info. Basically, while the Wikia versions still exist, but even if the core community largely moved to a different hosting – and it won't make sense for Wikia to allow closing existing wikis that moved to a different hosting by migrating admins.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:02, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Main category layout (2)
See and ctrl+f for "staves" and "staffs" - the latter should bring no results

I also run through the search for .DLG files in NI for both – no results for "staffs" and 3 hits for "staves": Searched for: .*Staves.* Number of hits: 3 File: BDADOY.DLG Name: State 6  Attribute: Response=Be careful, Neera. Watch out for yourself and other wild mages. The Order of Eight Staves is coming. File: BDADOY.DLG Name: State 7  Attribute: Response=The Order of Eight Staves, they call themselves. I think... I was mildly eviscerated at the time, which does rather tend to distract. File: FTOWFR.DLG Name: State 8  Attribute: Response=Pinch off the supply of iron and after a while the farmers can't sow, the smiths can't forge, and, by and by, an army finds it's disarmed of all but clubs and staves. That's the kind of strife that makes a land vulnerable. I didn't check it for BG2EE or classical versions.

I don't know if there's an actual "company competition" between the two, as both services (and other as well) co-exist, but Gamepedia as the name suggests is more targeted to games – that's why they offer things like Semantic MediaWiki, the staff helps with building layouts and templates that fit the gaming nature of these and they help with gaining developer's attention in getting the official approved wiki status or even the developers themselves to make a wiki for their game. They also have a vastly different skin that's a variation of MonoBook which is the only skin shipped by default, a different visual editor and more granular approach to achievements. They also have a "wiki guardian" button allowing to more easily contact staff to adapt abandoned or low active wikis. I think there's more granular choice to licences for a wiki and advertisements, but I never compared these and are running ad blocker anyway :). I'm actually a guardian/admin of The Crew Wiki on Gamepedia, but sadly despite being created THE CREW Wiki on FANDOM I think, it wasn't indexed in Google at start and never caught resulting in community split – I stopped playing The Crew since, but still log there to spot occasional vandalism. Which brings us to another issue – splitting the community – having both wikis would split the (albeit small) community here. FANDOM/Wikia is older/bigger and more broader too, so Wikia wikis often appear higher in search results, even if they have active alternatives elsewhere, further splitting community – although that changes, especially since Curse/Gamepedia was getting more popular and was recently merged with Twitch, allowing to log in with the same credentials. Also it's User:Thomaslove92 that started it and User:23dutch45man that caught up early on plus created IWDW. Also Forgotten Realms is well-established wiki hosted here on Wikia, and although there is an official wiki for Torment: Tides of Numenera on Gamepedia that is bigger than Torment Wiki, it doesn't cover Planescape: Torment.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 13:53, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Yup, quarterstaves not quarterstaffs, hence the equivalent Category:Quarterstaffs should be renamed IMO :)

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 15:10, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hello Islandking,

thank you so much for help regarding editing. I got it! But it's sub-heading 1, not 2.

"Keep in mind that although haste speed up scrolls casting, it’s still one casting per round and won’t benefit from Improved Alacrity."

Am I right that round is the shortest period of time in BG? A Phase consits of rounds! Dou you know how many rounds are within one phase?

So how many rounds are Time Stop?

'''So during Time Stop that my Fighter Mage uses how many spells would I be able to cast as a maximum? '''Do you know? Optios are to use Haste, Robe of Vecna, Amulet of Power, Improved Alacrity.

Really good to have you here on this Wiki! Faalagorn is also really willing to help! Great!

Both of you are so skilled reagrding editing and have sooooo much background information that you might be professionals! ;-)  And if so, it's totally fine for me.

Regards!

Gejadus (talk) 22:31, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Re: Poking at item types
You can always name them "Scimitars / Wakizashi / Ninjatō" following the in-game proficiency name :). Keep in mind that BG:EE renamed the Ninja-to to "Ninjatō" (Ninjatō) with the accent above it and the existing category is incorrectly using apostrophes – actually, after googling it seems that "Katana", "Wakizashi" and "Ninjatō" does not have a different plural naming, sources, . Scimitars is definitely a correct form, though. Guess you learn something every day ;).

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 23:38, September 20, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

sorry you were right the first time. I misread sth.. Your explanation was perfect!

"Contents index box can’t be edited directly by anyone, and you already have full access to every editing tool, to modify those subheaders, you just type, eg. “Assassin Solo Walkthrough” and press “Paragraph” then select “Sub-heading 1” while the curser is still within the words and the line will show as “3.5 Assassin Solo Walkthrough” in the box after you save your edits.

Gejadus (talk) 03:10, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

Hi Islandking,

by the way I'm playing a Blackguard, an Assassin and an Assasin (level 12, 440000 exp points) - Fighter (Dual-class) right now. I want to compare them. Even Black Pits II is already such a huge game in itself!

Gejadus (talk) 03:16, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

Using bot to swap IB building into IB area?
If you only rename that part, everything should be in source code. It may not show up in visual edit, so it could be missed, but it will be there in source to port. Plus it's always history, so I guess it should be safe.

About Files and Media; if you want to follow FFWiki they also use "Media". I think it should be safe.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 11:04, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

What is CE? Everything seems fine for me and the writing you posted seem corrects to me.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:43, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

It's not the issue with the reference itself, but it seems that this editor can't handle reference inside the image's caption, so it have to be moved outside of it or changed to 1 and link moved manually to reference section. Both of the visual editors don't work in MonoBook skin, so I had to switch the editor and the skin to see it (lots of features don't work with MonoBook =_=). It's a shame that it's an editor that limits what can be done for it to display proplerly, but I guess it's here to stay? Unless it's being phased out in favour of visual editor and it all works under it? Templates inside templates would be nice to have, especially if they work properly otherwise.

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:57, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

Overland area names
There is one thing that puzzles me – someone someday renamed all the "dudleyville names" of areas, such as South Beregost Road, North Nashkel Road, Fire Leaf Forest, Dryad Falls, Bear River, Xvart Village, Archaeological Site, Fisherman's Lake, Red Canyons, Shipwreck's Coast, Lonely Peaks, Valley of the Tombs, Gibberling Mountains, Mutamin's Garden, Fishing Village and Farmlands to their appropriate "Area X of Y". However, Coast Way and Wyrm's Crossing retained their given names. Plus Candlekeep Coastway was given yet another name.

Originally, I thought it was the name given to the areas at some point in EE, but I haven't found it anywhere in game files – the only place I haven't checked was BG:EE v.1.3 but they aren't named there either. The problem is that I don't think anyone is familiar with the "Area X of Y" names and would rather found the names popularised by other guides and adding yet another name (+ updating the links, which I was doing from time to time unknowingly it's not an actual in-game name anywhere) is only confusing. So the question is, do we keep the names as such and continue updating links to the format "Area X of Y" or fall back to the dudleyville's ones, at least unless BG:EE will add the names in some patch? (such as Lighthouse area got a name of "Seawatcher" in v2+, but you can also check that in game files or actual game and yes, it's called as such on map)

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:41, September 21, 2017 (UTC)

Categories cleanup
I have went through Special:Uncategorizedcategories and added most of the categories to the pages, with the exception of the area ones (Beregost etc.). The page will update in a few hours though. Some categories might not be needed, but at least they can be easier found browsing the. I also Moved a few things around (not much), and removed Category:Browse and Category:Status Effect as it was not needed. Also, after you remove categories, it's a good idea to see if they are linked somewhere. with Special:Whatlinkshere. You can also take a look at Special:WantedPages to remove links to removed pages, I started with removing links to Category:Quarterstaffs including the one in your page :)

—Faalagorn☎/✓ 12:59, September 22, 2017 (UTC)