Talk:Shaman/@comment-85.144.252.218-20160927161455/@comment-2A00:1370:812E:531C:2D73:1035:BEA:AE62-20180907235728

Some of analysis is wrong. While i havnt tried shaman there is only one feature of it which can be powerful and thats spirit, dunno how they actually perform.

While spellcasting without memorising is superior feature, it is superior for mage class not priest. There is actually reverse effect, mage indeed has not that many really useful spells and you can fit necessary within sorc known limits. However, they are very powerful, and ability to spamm one needed for current situation is also very powerful.

With priests you ve got quite the opposite situation. Not only 80% of ur spells are crap, but the ones which are not, are so clear winners you dont have much choice. In anywhere decent fight yor priest either buffing other people with immunities or summoning stuff. In fights where you can reliably nuke or disable someone you can also afk with priest and let others do their job (unless its really early in soa when hold silence spells actually working).

And noton about spellcasters being better than non-spellcasters. Well sorcerers are great. Mages are good. Fighter mages are somewhere between. Priests/druids? You can easily get away with reducing them to 1/2, like single fghter/priest or fighter/druid.

Single class druid always worse than single class cleric(again unless its really early in soa and insect plague is actually useful, but then again this window is so small, and cleric can just spamm hold person or smthng), due to not having remove paralysis, remove fear, lesser restoration, zone of sweet air. The only 2 things which actually make druids viable is the ability  to multiclass with fighter and spamm ironskin. Also HLA elementals.

But oh well cleric can also multiclass to fighter, use defender of eastheaven spamm hardiness, armour of faith, and get 25/25/25 in str dex con via draw upon holy might, while still having better buffs heals. Tho i actually prefer ironskin.

And noton about spellcasters being better than non-spellcasters. There are fights in blackpits2 on lob, where enemies virtually immune to almost ANY magic(including imprisonment, like demi liches, planetars. Oh and goodluck nucking them without project image, even with it its so much pain in the ass, you d rather hack em with a sword). Never played on SCS modes but if designers had any sense this should be even tougher for magic users.